Nando: Deep Adaptation, Impermanence, and Facing Death with Equanimity.

Fernando Garcia Ferreiro — “Nando” — left a world-class job to become a seeker after truth, or what he calls an “experienced beginner.” In the face of collapse, Nando is remaking himself in a new life, closer to the Earth.

Nando worked for 33 years for the European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union. When he retired in 2018, he was the Director of Health and Well-Being, responsible for 45,000 people. Now, among other things, he facilitates Deep Relating sessions as a guide for the Deep Adaptation Forum.

Nando’s native language is Spanish, but he is erudite in English and French. He peppers his conversation with references to the influential figures of Collapsology, Transition Towns, The Work That Reconnects, and other important branches of the “collapse-aware” community. Here are links to the people and titles Nando refers to in our conversation:

André Clements: News & Comment – Unrest in South Africa.

Audio Podcast is here.

Why has South Africa been riven by a week of riots, looting, and arson? The spark was the arrest of former President Jacob Zuma in relation to a corruption investigation. But hunger, poverty, hopelessness, and a brutal lockdown to control COVID-19 provided fuel for the fire.

André Clements joins us from his home in Johannesburg, South Africa, to discuss the experience of living in a place where the social order is breaking down. André and his family are safe, so far, but they may face shortages of fuel and food if supply lines are not reestablished in the coming days.

André discusses the mutual-aid networks that have sprung up in response to the disaster. People helping each other in hard times is what gives him encouragement in the face of collapse.

André is a visual artist, and is involved in Extinction Rebellion.

» Durban food riots turn the wheel of history; New Frame; July 12, 2021

María José López: Listening to indigenous women can save our souls.

María José López says that she is “very clearly white,” but she chooses not to live “the canonically white lifestyle” in her home town of Mexico City. Instead, she explores her indigenous roots with the women of the Zapatista movement, building networks of communication and resistance.

María proposes that the wisdom of indigenous women can lead us to a worthy life, even in the face of worldwide collapse:

“They not only know practically how to do it; they have a cosmogony, a spiritual view, a literary view, poetic view of what is happening that also soothes the soul and the body.

“It helps when you view Earth as a living being, and what is happening to it right now as an ‘agony.’ They know how to take care of the Earth. There are a lot of people that do have ideas, that do have ways of at least making the years we have, however little or however many they may be…they can make this place livable, and somewhere to be celebrated, and somewhere you can cherish the fact that you are alive and that you are human.

“They know that, and we don’t know that, because we’ve pushed them out of our lives. They want to share. They don’t only want to live for themselves. They want to share what they know, because they know we need it.”

María is the social media editor at (“Footnote” — English language page here). She’s an independent teacher, and an activist for women’s liberation and resisting collapse.