André S. Clements: An Artist’s Journey to Extinction Rebellion.

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To understand Extinction Rebellion (XR), you must start with its value system, or “axiology,” says André S. Clements, of South Africa. The ten principles give rise to an ethos of autonomy, André says, which allows individuals to connect to the organization and deliver whatever particular skills and energy they have.

The third principle – “We need a regenerative culture,” with its emphasis on “care” – is particularly meaningful to André, because it relates to his practice as a visual artist.

“The crux of caring is about, in the first place, paying attention,” he says. As an artist, “I’m paying attention, and there’s a quality of relationship in that. … And that caring expands out into the audience and into the world.”

Extinction Rebellion showed André a route from capturing images of the world to taking action. He serves Extinction Rebellion South Africa on their media and message team, as part of their strategy circle, and on the International Support Team working on regenerative culture.

André is also an incisive and original thinker, examining the “cybernetic construct” of XR through the lens of Nietzsche’s “will to power” and the Enneagram, to reach for alternative perspectives on humanity’s dire predicament.

You can see some of André’s art – which involves the superposition of photographic images – on his artist’s Facebook page.


Find Extinction Rebellion at https://rebellion.earth/.

Aimee Maxwell: Adrenaline and Acceptance in Australia.

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Aimee Maxwell is a practicing psychologist and a moderator of the Positive Deep Adaptation Facebook group. She lives in Melbourne, Australia, where she is witnessing the effects on her community of the massive bushfires in that country.

Aimee’s house is safe from the fires, for the moment. However, she feels in herself and in others the primal anxiety caused by such a huge, existential threat.

In this interview, Aimee provides responses which are both practical and contemplative.

She provides extensive practical advice about how to cope with anxiety in a crisis, including breathing practices and physical exercises. She discusses her own struggle with “adrenaline belly,” and gives a useful overview of how the adrenal system drives our brain to protect us.

Aimee also contemplates the meaning of the disaster – in the context of Deep Adaptation, and in the larger context of how human beings should respond to these unprecedented and unimaginable threats.

(A note on the temperatures that Aimee refers to: 42 degrees Celsius is 107 degrees Fahrenheit. 47 Celsius is 116 Fahrenheit.)


Aimee has created on her professional website a page called “Australian Bushfires: Psychological Help for Trauma,” with information about Emotional First Aid and other useful topics.

Phoebe Barnard: We Know How to Save the World

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Phoebe Barnard was one of five co-authors of the recently published paper Scientists’ Warning to Humanity of a Climate Emergency (BioScience, November 2019), which has gathered more than 12,000 signatures from scientists around the world.

Phoebe is fully informed about the dangers to humanity and to the planet posed by climate change. And yet, she sounds cheerful! In this interview, she shares her solutions to our dire predicament, and her optimism that human beings can act fearlessly to implement them.

Phoebe believes we can and must transition to a humane and regenerative economy, which will support the restoration of the global ecosystem.

“It’s a tall order,” she says. “I only know that I am not the person with the DNA to say it’s too late, it’s a lost cause. I don’t think it is. I am intrinsically so optimistic that I will go down with the ship, still exhorting people to make changes and bail the boat.”

Phoebe talks about the messaging that is needed to encourage people to change the things they can. She describes the transition to localized economies that must occur. She explains the six specific courses of action laid out in her recent paper. And she evaluates human beings from an evolutionary standpoint, to identify the bright spots and challenges that we face.

You can learn more about Phoebe Barnard on her website at https://www.phoebebarnard.com/

Jane Dwinell: Homesteading & Deep Adaptation

Jane Dwinell is a fountain of wisdom about living independently, in harmony with nature. She has been living off the grid – and acquiring the skills required for successful homesteading – since the 1970s.

“I liked the idea of living close to the Earth, and being self-reliant, raising food, living in time with the seasons and the sun – being in relationship with the natural world all the time, not as a vacation but as part of who I was,” she says.

Being in relationship with nature does not mean being divorced from the world of human affairs. Jane spent time in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, helping to rebuild the city. She worked on the Greek island of Lesvos, helping Syrian refugees. She has worked as a nurse, tending to the newly born and to the dying. She is an ordained minister in the Unitarian Universalist Church, where she gives sermons about adapting to climate change.

Since 2004, Jane and her husband have lived in small cities. They have built eight houses together, over the years, including the 700-square-foot house they live in now. Almost all their food comes from garden beds and fruit trees in the small back yard, except for carrots and onions, which Jane buys at the local co-op.

Jane wrote a book – Freedom Through Frugality: Spend Less, Have More, which she says is really about reducing your ecological footprint. She writes a blog, with her husband who has Alzheimer’s disease, about the experience of having the disease and coping with it – Alzheimer’s Canyon.

Currently, Jane is a moderator of three Facebook groups in the Deep Adaptation universe: Positive Deep Adaptation, Practical Deep Adaptation, and Deep Adaptation Parenting. Quietly and powerfully, she adds substance to the discussions, based on her life experience and collected knowledge.

In this interview, Jane shares some choice words about the realities of homesteading and the need for living in community.